Submitted by Lucia (not verified) on Sat, 2007/12/29 - 3:59pm.
He was married to my sister and he had 8 kids...yougest is 4...now all those kids have to go without a father and my sister without a husbend....if the murderer is out there I hope he gets whats comming to him...he ruined a family, I hope he goes to jail, and rots there
Submitted by Lucia (not verified) on Sat, 2007/12/29 - 10:21pm.
Thank you very much.......he was a loving husbend, loving father to 6 children and loving step father to 2 children....now my sister is left to raise 8 childen ages 16-4 all by herself..... I hope they find that guy who shot him and like I said be4 I hope he gets whats comming to him
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 2007/12/29 - 7:14pm.
Can't believe we cannot get a better descriptions of the murderer....
6' 180 slender build, jeans black coat with studs???/
Okay how politically correct are we?? Was he CAUCASION? MEXICAN DECENT? ASIAN? CUBAN? or shall we say AFRICAN AMERICAN? oh my can't believe I just said ALL THOSE ABOVE. Such bad words to use. But why wasn't any of these above used. Would be easier to figure out who the individual is??
But obviously you are not a police officer assigned to the case. I would be willing to bet your lunch money that the police have a much more complete and accurate description. However, as the criminal is clearly armed and dangerous, it would be incredibly irresponsible to identify him to the general public and perhaps get an additional would-be-Dirty-Harry or two killed as well. But Gawd forbid you should actually think about that, you just want to know enough to fuel your sick fantasies.
What say you go away now and let the adults have a conversation?
"After the shooting, police say the suspect fled the scene on foot. He is described as a white male with dark complexion. He is between 5'10" and 6', and 150 to 160 pounds. He is believed to be in his late 20s to early 30s. His hair is in a short ponytail, and was unshaven and unkempt."
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 2007/12/29 - 11:59pm.
He was caucasion and I know that because I am the bartender who was waiting on this man. We gave the best description I could and I am sorry to the family that lost their loved one. He was very polite and seemed like a nice man. And, must I say, I cant believe some of the things these people have to say about something so serious. I will keep the family in my prayers along with the ones I have for the manager/friend that I work with.
Submitted by Tamara Shepherd on Sun, 2007/12/30 - 1:35pm.
It happened at the Kingston Pike location.
Immediately after the story was posted to the Knoxnews site, though (lacking any mention of which Hooters location), I noticed that several people assumed it happened at the Merchants Dr./Cedar Ln. location.
I live in the northwest area, so I'm curious to understand why that early assumption. Any insights?
(No offense will be taken by anyone's candid response...)
Submitted by FtnCity HAPPY on Sun, 2007/12/30 - 11:41pm.
Ch 6 and Ch 9 both reported that the guy was shot at 10:15 tonight behind Greenhills Grill. There was a short foot chase then shots were fired leaving the suspect from the hooters shooting on a stretcher headed south the UT hospital.
You'll note the KPD received a tip to look for Rudd. He was spotted on Noelton (which is the road entrance to Sequoyah Hills across from Western Plaza). My guess is the police just didn't happen to be in that area and happen to see him. He was a criminal known by the police. I guess we'll get more details over the next few days.
Submitted by Bird_dog on Mon, 2007/12/31 - 1:05pm.
When I saw his picture, I knew it was mental illness. He looks so similar to my loved one with a similar history. Unfortunately the criminal justice system is on the front line of dealing with victims of this disease. They often do not have the insights into their illness that would motivate them to stay on their meds. I know first-hand how difficult to even get any medical information, much less treatment, for another adult.
My sympathies for all involved. It is heartbreaking.
Submitted by EEK (not verified) on Mon, 2007/12/31 - 7:20pm.
Ever heard of New York's Kendra's Law? Tennessee is one of only 7 states without a similar law. Go to Link... and look up SB1269 proposed by Sen. Burchett, currently being held up in a subcommittee. Too bad it has not passed already - it had the potential to prevent a tragedy such as this one.
" ... a person may be ordered to receive assisted outpatient treatment if the court finds that such person:
(1) Is 18 years of age or older;
(2) Is suffering from a mental illness;
(3) Is unlikely to survive safely in the community without supervision, based on a clinical determination;
(4) Has a history of lack of compliance with treatment for mental illness that has: been a significant factor in necessitating hospitalization in a hospital, or receipt of services in a forensic or other mental health unit of a correctional facility or a local correctional facility, within a specified period of time as detailed in this bill; or resulted in one or more acts of serious violent behavior toward self or others or threats of, or attempts at, serious physical harm to self or others within a specified period of time as detailed in this bill;
(5) Is, as a result of such person's mental illness, unlikely to voluntarily participate in outpatient treatment that would enable such person to live safely in the community;
(6) In view of such person's treatment history and current behavior, is in need of assisted outpatient treatment in order to prevent a relapse or deterioration which would be likely to result in serious harm to the person or others; and
(7) Is likely to benefit from assisted outpatient treatment.
The petition may be initiated only by the following persons:
(1) Any person 18 years of age or older with whom the subject of the petition resides;
(2) The parent, spouse or sibling 18 years of age or older, or child 18 years of age or older of the subject of the petition;
(3) The director of a hospital in which the subject of the petition is hospitalized;
(4) The director of any public or charitable organization, agency or home providing mental health services to the subject of the petition or in whose institution the subject of the petition resides;
(5) A qualified psychiatrist who is either supervising the treatment of or treating the subject of the petition for a mental illness;
(6) A psychologist or a social worker who is treating the subject of the petition for a mental illness; or
(7) A parole officer or probation officer assigned to supervise the subject of the petition.
TENNESSEE NEEDS THIS LAW - CALL YOUR LEGISLATOR TODAY AND URGE THEIR SUPPORT.
I'm sorry I missed him when he spoke in Knoxville recently, but his account of trying to get help for his son could have been written about our experience. I am so glad to know about SB1269.
Submitted by Bbeanster on Tue, 2008/01/01 - 10:03am.
Notice the comments on both the NS and the WBIR sites. Kinda of puts the lie to the claim that there's no real prejudice against hispanics generally -- "just illegals." The guy's description -- "White man with a dark complexion" -- was enough to bring the bigots out in force. I'm sure they are most disappointed that his name isn't Jimanez or Gonzalez.
He was married to my sister and he had 8 kids...yougest is 4...now all those kids have to go without a father and my sister without a husbend....if the murderer is out there I hope he gets whats comming to him...he ruined a family, I hope he goes to jail, and rots there
Oh. my. He died. I am sorry.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
yes he died at 4pm detroit time
Boobs and bullets. Of course it made the AP wire.
Sincere condolences to you, Lucia, and to the rest of the victim's families and friends.
Thank you very much.......he was a loving husbend, loving father to 6 children and loving step father to 2 children....now my sister is left to raise 8 childen ages 16-4 all by herself..... I hope they find that guy who shot him and like I said be4 I hope he gets whats comming to him
Can't believe we cannot get a better descriptions of the murderer....
6' 180 slender build, jeans black coat with studs???/
Okay how politically correct are we?? Was he CAUCASION? MEXICAN DECENT? ASIAN? CUBAN? or shall we say AFRICAN AMERICAN? oh my can't believe I just said ALL THOSE ABOVE. Such bad words to use. But why wasn't any of these above used. Would be easier to figure out who the individual is??
So how the hell would we know if he is from the Caucasus Mountains? Radio isotopes?
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
But obviously you are not a police officer assigned to the case. I would be willing to bet your lunch money that the police have a much more complete and accurate description. However, as the criminal is clearly armed and dangerous, it would be incredibly irresponsible to identify him to the general public and perhaps get an additional would-be-Dirty-Harry or two killed as well. But Gawd forbid you should actually think about that, you just want to know enough to fuel your sick fantasies.
What say you go away now and let the adults have a conversation?
CAFKIA
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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
- William G. McAdoo
Learn to use google.
Here's your fully-detailed description:
Link...
"After the shooting, police say the suspect fled the scene on foot. He is described as a white male with dark complexion. He is between 5'10" and 6', and 150 to 160 pounds. He is believed to be in his late 20s to early 30s. His hair is in a short ponytail, and was unshaven and unkempt."
He was caucasion and I know that because I am the bartender who was waiting on this man. We gave the best description I could and I am sorry to the family that lost their loved one. He was very polite and seemed like a nice man. And, must I say, I cant believe some of the things these people have to say about something so serious. I will keep the family in my prayers along with the ones I have for the manager/friend that I work with.
It is so sad the innocent, good people are always the ones that get hurt.
thank you...my brother-in-law was a good man......I will keep your friend in my prayers also
Who is saying what?
I think you missed the point about the Caucasian reference. Anyhow, carry on.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Did this happen at the Hooters on Kingston Pike or Merchants Ave ?
It happened at the Kingston Pike location.
Immediately after the story was posted to the Knoxnews site, though (lacking any mention of which Hooters location), I noticed that several people assumed it happened at the Merchants Dr./Cedar Ln. location.
I live in the northwest area, so I'm curious to understand why that early assumption. Any insights?
(No offense will be taken by anyone's candid response...)
They probably thought it was the one they were familiar with. I thought it was Kingston Pike because that is one I know about.
Ch 6 and Ch 9 both reported that the guy was shot at 10:15 tonight behind Greenhills Grill. There was a short foot chase then shots were fired leaving the suspect from the hooters shooting on a stretcher headed south the UT hospital.
You'll note the KPD received a tip to look for Rudd. He was spotted on Noelton (which is the road entrance to Sequoyah Hills across from Western Plaza). My guess is the police just didn't happen to be in that area and happen to see him. He was a criminal known by the police. I guess we'll get more details over the next few days.
When I saw his picture, I knew it was mental illness. He looks so similar to my loved one with a similar history. Unfortunately the criminal justice system is on the front line of dealing with victims of this disease. They often do not have the insights into their illness that would motivate them to stay on their meds. I know first-hand how difficult to even get any medical information, much less treatment, for another adult.
My sympathies for all involved. It is heartbreaking.
Ever heard of New York's Kendra's Law? Tennessee is one of only 7 states without a similar law. Go to Link... and look up SB1269 proposed by Sen. Burchett, currently being held up in a subcommittee. Too bad it has not passed already - it had the potential to prevent a tragedy such as this one.
" ... a person may be ordered to receive assisted outpatient treatment if the court finds that such person:
(1) Is 18 years of age or older;
(2) Is suffering from a mental illness;
(3) Is unlikely to survive safely in the community without supervision, based on a clinical determination;
(4) Has a history of lack of compliance with treatment for mental illness that has: been a significant factor in necessitating hospitalization in a hospital, or receipt of services in a forensic or other mental health unit of a correctional facility or a local correctional facility, within a specified period of time as detailed in this bill; or resulted in one or more acts of serious violent behavior toward self or others or threats of, or attempts at, serious physical harm to self or others within a specified period of time as detailed in this bill;
(5) Is, as a result of such person's mental illness, unlikely to voluntarily participate in outpatient treatment that would enable such person to live safely in the community;
(6) In view of such person's treatment history and current behavior, is in need of assisted outpatient treatment in order to prevent a relapse or deterioration which would be likely to result in serious harm to the person or others; and
(7) Is likely to benefit from assisted outpatient treatment.
The petition may be initiated only by the following persons:
(1) Any person 18 years of age or older with whom the subject of the petition resides;
(2) The parent, spouse or sibling 18 years of age or older, or child 18 years of age or older of the subject of the petition;
(3) The director of a hospital in which the subject of the petition is hospitalized;
(4) The director of any public or charitable organization, agency or home providing mental health services to the subject of the petition or in whose institution the subject of the petition resides;
(5) A qualified psychiatrist who is either supervising the treatment of or treating the subject of the petition for a mental illness;
(6) A psychologist or a social worker who is treating the subject of the petition for a mental illness; or
(7) A parole officer or probation officer assigned to supervise the subject of the petition.
TENNESSEE NEEDS THIS LAW - CALL YOUR LEGISLATOR TODAY AND URGE THEIR SUPPORT.
Link...
I'm sorry I missed him when he spoke in Knoxville recently, but his account of trying to get help for his son could have been written about our experience. I am so glad to know about SB1269.
Notice the comments on both the NS and the WBIR sites. Kinda of puts the lie to the claim that there's no real prejudice against hispanics generally -- "just illegals." The guy's description -- "White man with a dark complexion" -- was enough to bring the bigots out in force. I'm sure they are most disappointed that his name isn't Jimanez or Gonzalez.
Bozart of the Sahara....
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
I don't look on WBIR's site that often, Betty, but those folks on the KNS site are the same half-dozen yahoos I see on every KNS thread.
They're a small, unintelligible group I'd hate to think represents all of Knox County!
UPDATE: Tests link suspect's gun to Hooters killing
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